[Sessh]

Again you're basing everything on DBZ. It's not about DBZ it's about the end result which is GT. You're right about Gohen being the strongest but after all of those years past Gohen lost at least a little beat of his power by than. If you recall back during the tournament, that lead to the Majin Buu, you can remember what Vegeta said to Goku that Gohen as a kid, 7 years ago during the cell games, was much stronger. If you think about it and factor in all the things that could happen in time. You'll see that Goku has become more powerful over the years than Gohen. I even believe Vegeta is close to what power level Gohen is at during the course of time.
Anyway this about who's stronger, Majiuub or Ultimate Gohen, and nothing to do with the best in DBZ or GT. I've already said that Majiuub will win if compared to GT but if compared to DBZ, then Ultimate Gohen will win.

I understand that, but you understand that "Ultimate Gohan" was only in DBZ. In GT, he didn't have the powers that made him "Ultimate" anymore. That's why I went to DBZ when you said Ultimate Gohan.

When Vegeta said that about Gohan, he was not Ultimate Gohan yet. Elder Kai's powers appeared to almost replace Gohan's super saiyan powers. Gohan as a super saiyan was *much* weaker than Gohan after Elder Kai's training. What Vegeta said about Gohan during that tournament is irrelevant. I definitely agree that GT Gohan wouldn't stand a chance against Majuub or much of anyone, but I don't agree that Goku was stronger than Gohan when DBZ ended. Gohan would not have lost any power because, again, his powers were permanent and would not have diminished. Goku was an inexperienced SSj3 and so was Gotenks.

Anyways, I digress. I don't really understand why such a long analysis in your opening post was even necessary to prove that GT Gohan wouldn't stand a chance against Majuub. Ultimate Gohan and GT Gohan are two completely different versions of Gohan.

[hiruman]

LOL!!!
So there's time limit for Gohan "Ultimate" power?
LOL!!!! Ugh... My stomach....

[Sessh]

lol There shouldn't be, but they screwed it all up in GT. This is what happens when someone other than Toriyama tries to make a Dragonball series. Inevitably, things are going to get screwed up and this was a screw up because there is no Ultimate Gohan in DBGT which isn't true to the canon material.

[Zakness]

Originally Posted by Sessh

I understand that, but you understand that "Ultimate Gohan" was only in DBZ. In GT, he didn't have the powers that made him "Ultimate" anymore. That's why I went to DBZ when you said Ultimate Gohan.

When Vegeta said that about Gohan, he was not Ultimate Gohan yet. Elder Kai's powers appeared to almost replace Gohan's super saiyan powers. Gohan as a super saiyan was *much* weaker than Gohan after Elder Kai's training. What Vegeta said about Gohan during that tournament is irrelevant. I definitely agree that GT Gohan wouldn't stand a chance against Majuub or much of anyone, but I don't agree that Goku was stronger than Gohan when DBZ ended. Gohan would not have lost any power because, again, his powers were permanent and would not have diminished. Goku was an inexperienced SSj3 and so was Gotenks.

Anyways, I digress. I don't really understand why such a long analysis in your opening post was even necessary to prove that GT Gohan wouldn't stand a chance against Majuub. Ultimate Gohan and GT Gohan are two completely different versions of Gohan.

Again you're the one that's not paying any attention to the obvious. First of all we both agree about the DBZ Gohan and the GT Gohan, there's a huge difference of the two and I already said who's better than who in my previous post and we both came to the same answer. Now what you don't understand is how much power Gohan can lose if he doesn't train at a regular bases. This applies to any fighter not just Gohan. When I said what Vegeta told Goku about Gohan having much more power as a kid, I'm well aware of the fact Gohan hasn't received Elder Kai's power but it's the concept of what could happen when he doesn't train effectively. After the Majin Buu battle 5 or 10 years, I really don't care how much time past but it was still DBZ. Goku was always training and Gohan was getting married and living his life of peace with Videl. Goku's power increased by than and you can say it was equal to Gohan by than. Also do actually think Goku will stay an inexperienced SS3 for all of those years. Gotenks yes but not Goku.

[Risuzu]

Umm, someone might have already said this, but doesn't Vegeta say Gohan's weaker than he was in the fight against Cell at the tournament at the beginning of the Buu arc? He also stays pretty weak for the rest of DBZ if I recall correctly...

[Zakness]

^Dude, FAIL.

[Risuzu]

So eloquent. And where are you people getting that Gohan is strongest still going into Buu saga or is this some sort of universally accepted fact?

[Sessh]

Originally Posted by Zakness

Now what you don't understand is how much power Gohan can lose if he doesn't train at a regular bases. This applies to any fighter not just Gohan. When I said what Vegeta told Goku about Gohan having much more power as a kid, I'm well aware of the fact Gohan hasn't received Elder Kai's power but it's the concept of what could happen when he doesn't train effectively. After the Majin Buu battle 5 or 10 years, I really don't care how much time past but it was still DBZ. Goku was always training and Gohan was getting married and living his life of peace with Videl. Goku's power increased by than and you can say it was equal to Gohan by than. Also do actually think Goku will stay an inexperienced SS3 for all of those years. Gotenks yes but not Goku.

Did Gohan have to train in order to obtain Elder Kai's power? He sat around on his butt for like a day, no training! Elder Kai's power is obviously different than the power of a super saiyan and, once again, the power increase was permanent. Power obtained from training as a super saiyan is not permanent because as you've said, the power fades over time if you aren't training. Geez, it's not like I'm pulling "permanent" out of my ass here, it's part of the story. Permanent means forever, it's not that hard to understand. What better way for Toriyama to make Gohan the strongest at the end like he wanted than by making Gohan's power permanent instead of being dependent on training. It's simple really, it's the perfect power for Gohan.

Why do you guys keep bringing up what Vegeta said during the beginning of the Buu saga? Is anyone arguing who was stronger at that point? It's completely irrelevant to who was stronger at the END.

I would say Goku didn't stay inexperienced, but I would also say Gotenks caught on faster than Goku. Gotenks didn't need all the time Goku needed to power up, not even half of it as a matter of fact. Gotenks skipped right over SSj2 and went SSj3 just by watching Goku do it one time. I don't believe Goku could surpass Gohan without going up another level, but regardless, Toriyama said Gohan was the strongest at the end of DBZ in Shonen several years ago. It seems to have disappeared from online, but I know what I read. If you want to think you know better than him, go right ahead.

[Hatake]

What the hell am I reading in this thread?

GT was beyond horrible and shouldn't of been made, so I'm going with Gohan.