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Default 12-14-2009, 09:16 PM

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Watch the first episode of Death Note.
First rule written in the Death Note:
"The human whose name is written in this notebook shall die."

Furthermore, it's just logical thinking.
While you're routing for Goku so who cares. We're in an agreement!


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Default 12-14-2009, 09:25 PM

No, the anime Death Note simply does not imply that any other creature lives in the Universe that is intelligent. Also, just because it's written there, doesn't neccesarily mean it can't be done, as Ruk or whatever his name was didn't think about all of the possibilities. It was there to mean you couldn't kill a Shikigami with the Death Note. Any mortal creature could be killed with the Death Note I think.

And I said Goku because he's a dolt. Gohan could probably be offed the same way, maybe even Krillin.


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Default 12-14-2009, 09:33 PM

You're not arguing logically.

First of all, that rule implies you can't kill animals using the Death Note, as animals are clearly a part of the Death Note universe.
And animals are closer to humans than saiyajins.
Saiyajin are aliens after all.

Furthermore you'd have to ask yourself how you define intelligence. Can you destroy a PC that has a name using the Death Note? Life and thinking are merely chemical processes. If you can kill a saiyajin using a Death Note, you can also destroy planets using a Death Note.
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Default 12-14-2009, 09:39 PM

Erm, saiyajins are closer to humans than any animal on Earth, since you can successfully breed with half-saiyajin. So if we want to think logically, yes, it is very likely he could be killed with the Death Note.

The second part of your post reminds me of a program on the Drake Equation. Even though many creatures on Earth are "intelligent", intelligence for the Drake Equation is the ability to be able to communicate across space.


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Dude considering their powers and their notorious acts they are bound to be well known with their names and faces printed in newspapers or on the net no? Than if they are evil they are as good as dead and if they are good yet in Kira's way they are still dead. Planet destroying power can't save them from a heart attack.
Did you ever watch DBZ? The Saiyans never got credited for anything. As far as everyone knew Hercule was the big hero. At most Kira would know Gohan, but only as the Golden Warrior.

Also, Kira couldn't kill Goku since writing Goku wouldn't work. His name is Kakarot and Vegeta is the only one who calls him this by the end of the series.


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Default 12-14-2009, 09:50 PM

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Erm, saiyajins are closer to humans than any animal on Earth, since you can successfully breed with half-saiyajin.
The fact that they can breed doesn't mean they're close.

It's obvious that their bodies have to be extremely different.

If you do not limit the Death Note's ability to humans only you'll be hardpressed to limit it at all, as there can't possibly be a definition for "intelligence" or even "life" that'll fit both humans and saiyajins and not include loads of things that can obviously not be killed/destroyed by a Death Note.
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Default 12-14-2009, 10:12 PM

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The fact that they can breed doesn't mean they're close.

It's obvious that their bodies have to be extremely different.
You say to argue logically, then you say they are extremely different even though they can breed. Not only breed, but produce offspring which are not sterile. That makes humans and Saiyajins almost the exact same species.


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Default 12-14-2009, 10:18 PM

Vegeta calls goku kakarotto all the time so you are wrong but for me the strongest anime char is Otae from gintama
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Default 12-14-2009, 10:20 PM

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You say to argue logically, then you say they are extremely different even though they can breed. Not only breed, but produce offspring which are not sterile. That makes humans and Saiyajins almost the exact same species.
You're confusing "logically" with "scientifically correct given the biological facts of our world".

Fact 1: Saiyans can transform into giant apes, have a tail, don't age like humans, are stronger and tougher to an extent that makes almost certain their muscles aren't at all build like ours. Furthermore they are from a different planet.
-> They are extremely different from humans.
Fact 2: For some reason they are able to breed with humans.

Logically combining Fact 1 and Fact 2:
Even extremely different species can produce offspring in the Dragonball Universe.
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Default 12-14-2009, 10:32 PM

You're right, logic =/ science. However, you're the one who brought it into the conversation by mentioning animals. And except for philosophy, science > logic. Regardless, you're set in your way that Goku is immune, which I scientifically believe to be false, based on the facts known. The answer could never actually be known and someone would wish Goku back to life anyway since DBZ was the first "Our main characters are never stopped by death" shounen manga/anime.


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