Originally Posted by PN04

but as seen with the Playstation store release of Xam'd

Originally Posted by PN04

-and More intelligently

That was a joke, not an attempt at web distribution. If the companies want to make money, they're going to have to take things seriously, e.g. not trying to sell your anime on a single platform which takes an investment of several hundred dollars just to access. Crunchyroll is another poor attempt, though it's closer than anything else.

I would be willing to pay at least $25 a month for a subscription based torrent tracker(saves bandidth on their end) or direct download service(better suited as a backup) with currently airing anime. They could provide a far better service than fansubs do, easily.

• Encoding directly from the master, instead of TVrips.
• Professional translators, instead of High School/College kids.
• Simulcasted releases, rather than the already quick two or three day releases of most groups.

I must admit, having something to hold does have its appeal, but the convenience and security of having a digital backup is also good. It would be just as possible for the western distributors to create dubs and release them digitally along their DVDs, so they can coexist, though I do wonder how large the dub-only market is.

[DIvEcHE_DESTINY]

better of with fansubs, i won't be caught watching english dubbed anime, it wouldn't be the same^^

[Saecryd]

Originally Posted by DIvEcHE_DESTINY

better of with fansubs, i won't be caught watching english dubbed anime, it wouldn't be the same^^

The entire problem with fansubs is that you're not supporting the industry, you're leeching from it.

[vanteya37]

And so the arguement goes on...

I agree with the fact that fansubbing groups are doing it better than funimation and friends.

[DIvEcHE_DESTINY]

Originally Posted by Saecryd

The entire problem with fansubs is that you're not supporting the industry, you're leeching from it.

then i guess they better legalize it! cause alot of us are leaning towards fansubs than crappy english dub, though some day i tell you, i going to learn japanese all for the sake of watching anime! and btw, i do my part in helping the anime industry by buying original anime ost! i know its a small thing but, you know.........^^

[supapowatyme]

Having thought about it a little more ive come to the conclusion that watching fansubs really doesnt leech from the industry as much as you would think. Most of the anime we see is taken directly from tv then uploaded and subbed. The only people we are really "hurting" here is the western distributors that fail so very hard at selling us the anime.

The shows are aired on the Japanese networks(which is where we get them) so really, no matter how much we would even try to support the shows, if the ratings in japan tank than the anime will most likely be scrapped. And here is the part I find funny.... western distro's. buy the rights to sub/dub the series(This money goes straight to the production studios). They then attempt to sell the dvd's to us or air the shows on networks in other countries(cartoon network etc.)

So, looking at all that, its simple to see that us getting the fansubs really doesnt hurt the studio's but it does, in some ways, hurt the western distro's.
The studio's will continue to make money from the networks airing the shows in japan and if they are popular enough they will also get whatever money the western distributors put in to air them in the other countries. The only loss of revenue here is in "potential" sales of the sub/dubbed dvd's. And that is only kind of, in a round about way, making the western distributors all angry and angst filled....

So in my humble opinion... this system aint broke so dont go trying to fix it!

[danko]

just takes forever to be released in Australia... if they hurry up and release more titles Danko will be a bit happier

[azn]

Danko from Australia? o.o
And yes I agree, but then again, we are geographically isolated from the rest of the world.

[Saecryd]

Originally Posted by supapowatyme

Having thought about it a little more ive come to the conclusion that watching fansubs really doesnt leech from the industry as much as you would think. Most of the anime we see is taken directly from tv then uploaded and subbed. The only people we are really "hurting" here is the western distributors that fail so very hard at selling us the anime.

The shows are aired on the Japanese networks(which is where we get them) so really, no matter how much we would even try to support the shows, if the ratings in japan tank than the anime will most likely be scrapped. And here is the part I find funny.... western distro's. buy the rights to sub/dub the series(This money goes straight to the production studios). They then attempt to sell the dvd's to us or air the shows on networks in other countries(cartoon network etc.)

So, looking at all that, its simple to see that us getting the fansubs really doesnt hurt the studio's but it does, in some ways, hurt the western distro's.
The studio's will continue to make money from the networks airing the shows in japan and if they are popular enough they will also get whatever money the western distributors put in to air them in the other countries. The only loss of revenue here is in "potential" sales of the sub/dubbed dvd's. And that is only kind of, in a round about way, making the western distributors all angry and angst filled....

So in my humble opinion... this system aint broke so dont go trying to fix it!

You don't seem the understand just how anime studios make money.

Ratings lead to money, and there are no ratings involved with watching fansubs so the studios are not getting paid for their work. You've essentially stolen it.

Western distributors are also a source of revenue for these studios. They sell their license and get a share of the profits when the anime is sold to us on this side of the pond. The better the anime sells here the more money they make over there.

Again, watching fansubs alone garners no profit here either.

Watching fansubs and never buying anime makes you a leech. You're not just hurting western distributors but the studio itself.